Sunday, 12 October 2014

Meaning or Purpose?

There seems to be a lot of talking at cross purposes when people who believe in a "God" and a "life after death" argue with materialists/atheists.  Many of the former claim that if the atheists/materialists are right, then there is no meaning to life so we might as well just kill ourselves now.   Many atheists, on the other hand, seem to be genuinely bewildered by this and claim that of course there is meaning to life!  We form friendships and relationships with others, achieve various goals, experience many pleasures.  And even after death our lives might not have been in vain since we will have affected many other peoples' lives, hopefully for the better!

I want to draw a distinction between the words "purpose" and "meaning".  If there is no "God", no "life after death", and we are merely complex biological machines, then I would submit our lives have no purpose.  By this I mean that there is no ultimate goal to our lives.  There is no becoming one with "God" or whatever form that purpose might take.  That is to say that we live out our lives, and they might well be very satisfactory in terms of pleasures experienced, various satisfactions attained, but ultimately there is no reason for ones existence over and above that which we ourselves give to our lives.  On the other hand our lives certainly have meaning due to the aforementioned positive aspects to our existence.

But is having meaning, but no purpose to our lives, enough?

Although I emphatically disagree with Bertrand Russell in the following quote that we are compelled to accept the conclusion he outlines, he nevertheless nicely captures the dissatisfactory consequence of accepting that our lives have no purpose.

That Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man’s achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins—all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair can the soul’s habitation be safely built.
Bertrand Russell (from A Free Man's Worship, 1903)
If we are mere biological machines, then yes, life has meaning.  And I find it absurd for people to suggest that if there is no "God" etc we might as well just kill ourselves now.   But nevertheless it remains the case that the Universe and our lives are ultimately to no avail.   Whatever goals are achieved, whatever satisfactions are attained, whatever pleasures we experience, ultimately it is all pointless in the grand scheme of things.  Eventually the last human being will die, the last sentient being on Earth will die and eventually the earth will be swallowed up by the Sun when it ends its life as a red giant. 

With the death of the Earth we might legitimately conclude that the whole history of the human race -- every thought, every action, every emotion experienced -- might as well never have occurred.

If we gravitate towards materialism perhaps it is best to put aside such thoughts and lose ourselves in our day to day lives; care about the concrete things in life such as making a living, forming relationships, and just marvel at our fortune to be priveleged to have this brief spark of sentience before the veil of forever nothingness descends upon us. 


  1. Obviously we need an afterafterlife to have any meaning or purpose

  2. First of all, just because necessarily there's no purpose to our lives should we cease to exist when we die (although, of course, there is meaning, see my blog post), it doesn't follow that should there be an afterlife that there is a purpose. It merely opens up the possibility.

    The video reflects what I was saying in my blog, namely that from the possibility there is no purpose to our lives, it's still nevertheless the case our lives have meaning.

    However, unlike what the video states, a rational person doesn't believe in an afterlife exclusively because they *feel* there's a purpose to their lives, or because organised religion says there's an afterlife. They also might believe in an afterlife because:

    a) Materialism and epiphenomenalism are untenable and it seems that we are compelled to conclude that consciousness is fundamental (see my blog posts and and others). Given this then it might well be the case that consciousness might exist independently of one's body.

    b) All the evidence suggesting we survive. For example near-death experiences (NDEs) and the closely related phenomenon deathbed visions, evidence for reincarnation in the form of children’s recollections of previous lives, apparitions of a certain type, and mediumship. And lots of indirect evidence.

    So all this stuff about wanting to face the truth even if uncomfortable is misleading as it presupposes the rational position is to suppose we cease to exist when we die where as I have argued that the converse is true.

    The guy on the left needs to debate with me, rather than the straw man guy on the right.


  4. Thanks Anonymous, but I just posted last night on facebook about that article. I said:

    "This article is simply a long list of unsubstantiated assertions. And, from my experience of talking to materialists, he won't be able to substantiate them. Don't bother clicking the link, it's a waste of time reading it".


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